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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #2 on Dec 3, 2007, 4:48pm »
Apparently each other. :3
Blah Blah Marriage. Enter info here. :3
Thomas More: Suggested this would be utopia Their women are not married before eighteen, nor their men before two-and-twenty, and if any of them run into forbidden embraces before marriage they are severely punished, and the privilege of marriage is denied them, unless they can obtain a special warrant from the Prince. Such disorders cast a great reproach upon the master and mistress of the family in which they happen, for it is supposed that they have failed in their duty. The reason of punishing this so severely is, because they think that if they were not strictly restrained from all vagrant appetites, very few would engage in a state in which they venture the quiet of their whole lives, by being confined to one person, and are obliged to endure all the inconveniences with which it is accompanied. In choosing their wives they use a method that would appear to us very absurd and ridiculous, but it is constantly observed among them, and is accounted perfectly consistent with wisdom. Before marriage some grave matron presents the bride naked, whether she is a virgin or a widow, to the bridegroom; and after that some grave man presents the bridegroom naked to the bride. We indeed both laughed at this, and condemned it as very indecent. But they, on the other hand, wondered at the folly of the men of all other nations, who, if they are but to buy a horse of a small value, are so cautious that they will see every part of him, and take off both his saddle and all his other tackle, that there may be no secret ulcer hid under any of them; and that yet in the choice of a wife, on which depends the happiness or unhappiness of the rest of his life, a man should venture upon trust, and only see about a hand's-breadth of the face, all the rest of the body being covered, under which there may lie hid what may be contagious, as well as loathsome. All men are not so wise as to choose a woman only for her good qualities; and even wise men consider the body as that which adds not a little to the mind; and it is certain there may be some such deformity covered with the clothes as may totally alienate a man for his wife when it is too late to part with her. If such a thing is discovered after marriage, a man has no remedy but patience. They therefore think it is reasonable that there should be good provision made against such mischievous frauds.
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #3 on Dec 3, 2007, 4:49pm »
blah, here's mine!
16th-century Europe: Love's a bore—Any man in love with his wife must be so dull that no one else could love him
a woman's life experience varied by social class. Among the nobility, a woman's chief duty was to make dynastic marriages, serving as the vehicle for her family's political and social ambitions. Marriage for a woman of this class was as much her job as the command of troops was her brother's, and such women often married young. Many such women functioned as partners in a political enterprise.
a woman's life experience varied by social class. Among the nobility, a woman's chief duty was to make dynastic marriages, serving as the vehicle for her family's political and social ambitions. Marriage for a woman of this class was as much her job as the command of troops was her brother's, and such women often married young. Many such women functioned as partners in a political enterprise.
Note the number of books published in this century by "La veuve so-and-so." Although the man's name was on the business, it was being run by his widow (la veuve). Magdalena ran her husband's business for many years after Balthazar's death. Widows "stepping in" to take over their late husbands' businesses were sometimes a source of resentment to journeymen who could not buy or inherit a business and become a master of their guild themselves. When a woman married, she was choosing a trade as well as a husband.
Marriage was often delayed among the non-noble classes, as a woman could not marry until she and her prospective husband could afford to establish themselves and set up a houshold. This meant that the man needed some land to farm or mastership in a trade, and the woman needed a dowry. This was usually her share of the family inheritence, as well as her own earnings. Because land mostly descended in the male line, a daughter's share was in movable goods and money and went with her on her marriage. During hard times, the birth rate tended to fall because marriages were delayed even longer, and during good times it rose because people had more and felt more optimistic about being able to start a family.
Marriage was not a sentimental affair, although certainly love among courting couples was normal. Marriage was a means of productivity: of crops, goods, and children for the future. Being personally happy in the sense that we imagine it today wasn't expected, although naturally a companionable partnership with someone who didn't beat you was a good thing. Women did have to endure the fact that legally and socially, men were in charge. They had their ways of taking the sting out of this, but a husband had the right to beat his wife and could get away with murder in the case of adultery. Women exerted a lot of social control in a village or urban neighborhood by means of "gossip."
Sex was considered the special province of women, and in the medieval mind women were the carnal, lustful ones, while men were the spiritual ones victimized by their temptations. After all, they were the descendents of Eve. In art, the asexual beauty of the celestial angel was best represented by a young boy. The Victorian idea of the delicate, sexually naive "angel in the home" did not exist. The double standard certainly did though -- a women's honor resided in her sexual exclusivity. Married men were constantly afraid of being cuckolded, and seemed to think this was almost certainly to be expected, given women's voracious appetites. A lot of this, to our eyes, is certainly men projecting their own desires onto women, and blaming women for their own actions. The idea that a raped woman had invited it was certainly common
Women have always practiced "traditional medicine." This was part of any housewife's expected regimen, but some women were specialists. Some of their herbs and potions actually worked, but these were viewed as hedge witchery by scholars who knew all about the circulation of the four humors and their relation to the planets. These superstitious charms could be harmless enough, but if one can cure, one can harm as well. Midwives knew all the mysteries of birth (a subject that had only begun to interest educated men) and they were sometimes feared and suspected of being able to cause miscarriage and abortion as well. The unclear line between medicine and magic was quite normal, but could be turned against a woman. Even if they weren't witches, women were always being suspected of poisoning their husbands if they died suddenly -- part of the fear that the women who were so responsible for maintaining all the fundamentals of life had the power to subvert it as well. Women were generally less literate than men. Those that were literate often probably put their pens to use keeping the family accounts and writing letters to keep up the web of social fabric. A few prominent women wrote memoirs, and someone like Catherine de' Medici had a voluminous correspondence that has been preserved
Western European Wedding Traditions Wedding traditions in Western Europe are as varied as the countries that make up the region – from Ireland to Italy, from Portugal to Switzerland and everything in between, the wonderful, colorful wedding traditions of Western Europe span almost a quarter of our world. The engagement ring – one of the oldest of the Western European wedding traditions. One of the ancient traditions of Western Europe which is still going strong today is the idea of the engagement ring. It was way back in 860 A.D. that Pope Nicholas I proclaimed that not only was an engagement ring required to seal the agreement to be married, but that the engagement ring must be made of gold. The making of the ring out of gold signified that the groom was willing to make a financial sacrifice for his new bride-to-be. It would be another 617 years before the tradition of adding a diamond to an engagement ring would be started. It was in the year 1477 that King Maximilian presented the lovely Mary of Burgundy with a diamond engagement ring, and from that day to this a diamond has been a girl’s best friend. It was in Italy, the land of love, that gold wedding rings first became popular, and it was also in Italy that the tradition of the wedding cake was first begun when, in the first century B.C., a cake or bread was broken over the bride’s head to insure fertility. The tradition of the Best Man began in medieval Germany. It was in ancient Germany that the Western European tradition of a Best Man began. In olden days it was sometimes necessary for a man to kidnap his bride from a neighboring village and he needed his strongest friend (his Best Man) to help with the kidnapping and to stand by him at the wedding ceremony to fight off any relatives that might try to take her back. Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. But it was in England that many of our most enduring Western European wedding traditions got their beginning. The ancient nursery rhyme about something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue is now an important part of most Western European weddings, even though many brides and grooms no longer know the significance of the rhyme. Something old is symbolic of continuity. The old item was often a piece of lace or a grandmother’s scarf or an old piece of jewelry. Something new signifies hope for the future, and can be anything from a piece of clothing to the wedding band itself. Something borrowed is symbolic of future happiness and is often provided by a happily married friend of the bride. And finally, something blue. In ancient times blue was the color of purity and often both the bride and the groom wore a band of blue cloth around the bottom of their wedding attire. It was the knights of yore who gave us the Western European tradition of the groom wearing a single flower. It was customary for a knight to wear a flower or a colorful handkerchief belonging to their lady fair when they entered a tournament. The tradition later evolved to the groom wearing a flower from his bride’s wedding bouquet. The white wedding gown was not a symbol of purity, but rather a symbol of joy. What wedding today would be complete without the white wedding gown? Prior to the 16th century, however, this most important Western European Wedding tradition was not common. It wasn’t until Ann of Brittany popularized the white wedding dress in 1499 that the tradition became part of Western European wedding culture. During the Tudor period in England it became customary for the wedding party to throw old shoes at the bride and groom’s carriage; if the carriage was struck by a shoe it was considered a symbol of good fortune to follow. From this old Western European wedding custom was born the tradition of typing shoes to the back of the broom and bride’s car. And finally it is time for the groom to carry his new bride across the threshold. And finally, what wedding tradition would be complete with the groom carrying his new bride over the threshold of their home? This Western European tradition began with two beliefs. The first one was that if the bride were to trip or stumble as she entered her new home (as she crossed her new threshold for the first time) bad luck would plague the marriage. The second belief was that evil spirits inhabited the threshold of a new couple’s home and that if the bride stepped on the threshold the evil spirits would enter through her feet and the marriage would be doomed. The romantic answer, of course, was for the groom to carry his new bride across the threshold. Western European wedding traditions have come down to us from many countries and many cultures to blend together seamlessly into the romantic wedding traditions that we know and cherish today.
16th century italian love rules Thursday, 3rd October, 2002 :: 16:28 - Blog 1)Marriage is not an excuse for not loving. 2)He who is not jealous cannot love. 3)No one can be bound by a double love. 4)Love always increses or diminishes. 5)What the lover takes from his beloved against her will has no relish. 6)A man can only love when he has reached full manhood. 7)A dead lover must be mourned by the survivor for two years. 8)No one should be deprived of love without abundant reason. 9)No one can love unless he is compelled to do so by the persuasion of love. 10)Love is always want to shut the abode of avarice. 11)It is unseemly to love those whom one would be ashamed to marry. 12)A true lover does not wish to enjoy the love of another other than his beloved. 13)Love seldom lasts after it is divulged. 14)Love easily won becomes contemptible. Love won with difficulty is dear. 14)Every lover is wont to turn pale at the sight of his beloved. 15)A new love drives away the old. 16)Probity alone makes one worthy of love. 17)If love diminishes it soon ends and is rarely revived. 18)A lover is always timid. 19)He eats and sleeps less whom the thought of love distresses. 20)Every act of the lover is bounded by the thought of the beloved. 21)Love can refuse nothing to love. 22)He is not want to love who is tormented by lewdness. 23)A true lover dwells in the uninterrupted contemplation of the beloved. 24)Nothing forbids a woman from being loved by two men, and a man by two women.
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #5 on Dec 3, 2007, 4:55pm »
Hey - teen marriage...
Teen pregnancy is not a new phenomenon In the sixteen hundreds a popular song ‘The Trees They Grow High’ spoke of the teenage marriage of Lord Craighton ‘At the age of fourteen he was a married man, At the age of fifteen the father of a son At the age of sixteen his grave it was green And death put an end to his growing ... And throughout history there have been famous early births and teenage romances.
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #6 on Dec 3, 2007, 4:57pm »
In the early modern era, John Calvin (1509 – 1564) and his Protestant colleagues reformulated Christian marriage through enactment of The Marriage Ordinance of Geneva,which imposes "The dual requirements of state registration and church consecration to constitute marriage."[15]
In Catholicism, the Council of Trent made the validity of marriage dependent upon its being performed before an ordained member of the clergy and two witnesses. The Council also authorized a Catechism, issued in 1566, which defined marriage as, "The conjugal union of man and woman, contracted between two qualified persons, which obliges them to live together throughout life."[12]
Marriage has changed throughout the history of Europe, in the 1200's in England it was unlawful for a woman younger than 24 years to marry but this changed, beginning in the 1500's, to 20 years of age.[13]
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #8 on Dec 3, 2007, 5:03pm »
Grooms, on the average, were 14 years older than their brides. Noble women sometimes didn't marry until the age of 24, but this was rare. More than 3/4 were married before they reached 19. By today's standards, western Europe was inhabited by the young, with more than half of the population under 20 years of age
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #9 on Dec 3, 2007, 5:03pm »
So why is the summer wedding so popular? This is believed to have started in the late 1500's ... most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and they still smelled pretty good by June. So why didn't they just get married in May? I thought the same thing myself, but May was actually seen as a bad time to marry. June was seen as a better time for many reasons; one being that June was known as the "month of roses" and roses were, and still are, considered a symbol of love. The warm weather of the time has a lot to do with it too; good weather often meant that the 'gods' were smiling on you. Another reason June is so popular has to do with who the month was named after; "Juno", the Roman 'goddess' of marriage. So it makes sense that a month named for such a 'goddess' would be deemed best for a prosperous marriage.
* Why do we carry flowers? Going along with the summer wedding thing from back in the 1500's; the bride would carry a small bouquet of fresh herbs and flowers to mask possible body odor as they only took a bath once a year. During even earlier times when the fear of "evil spirits" was most common, brides carried stinking bouquets of herbs and spices to frighten the demons away. This is said to be where the term "Nosegay" comes from. (Nosegay is a term generally used by florist's, referring to the popular round shape bridal bouquet)
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #12 on Dec 3, 2007, 9:04pm »
Well we can print all this out and just fake our way through it. :3 Use it as notes. Everyone else did it that way, you could tell, so it wouldn't be bad. XD;
Or we could just print it out, and do it by pages. I get one, you get one, and we split the last in half or however long it ends up being.
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #15 on Dec 4, 2007, 2:59am »
I was going to print it off here and bring it, but lo and behold, dead printer. I'll just print it at the library tomorrow before class. :3
Haha... I fail at responding. I'm so used to working at like 2 am. D: Sorry doll.
Right. I split it by the posts we just did. Each post is in its own chunk so we can see where the breaks are. The stuff you chose is your bit and the stuff I chose in mine. :3 Since it's what interested us, I thought it would fit. It's about equal (Okay fine, you get more to choose from. XD) But I'll bring it before class earlycakes as I can so we can look it over. =D
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Re: The Catsu and Crazy 16th Century Marriage Thre « Reply #17 on Dec 4, 2007, 6:47pm »
I posted the document in my shared bigbend folder, so feel free to make any changes before tonight... cuz I think I'm gonna print it out later tonight...
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